# NousResearch/hermes-agent · Bare reasoning effort none not disabling thinking

## Open now

- 1 issue, 3 PRs open on GitHub.
- #118871: \[Bug\]: a bare reasoning effort "none" still bills thinking on profile wires — \`hermes batch --reasoning_disabled\` is silently ignored (DeepSeek / Kimi)
- PR #118877: fix(providers): disable bare none thinking toggles
- PR #118879: fix(reasoning): effort=none disables thinking on provider-profile wire (#118871)
- PR #119720: fix(agent): treat bare reasoning effort none as thinking disabled (#118871)

A bug where setting reasoning effort to 'none' fails to disable thinking/billing on provider profile wires, with fixes applied across providers, agents, and reasoning modules.

## TL;DR

- 4 member(s): 1 open issue(s), 0 closed issue(s), 3 open PR(s), 0 merged PR(s), 0 PR(s) closed without merging.
- No fix has been merged to main; one or more PRs were attempted (see below).
- **Recommended:** review the prior/competing PR(s) below. A fix was attempted but not merged; your case may extend or revive that work.

## Maintainer resolution verdict

- Internal-tracker verdict over this cluster's issue members: `unresolved`. This is distinct from the fix status above. Weigh it yourself.

## How this cluster was grouped

- Link evidence (`STRUCTURAL_SPANNING`): every member is connected by structural evidence: shared changed files, or a closing/superseded reference.
- Pairwise link density `0.50`: the share of member pairs that carry a link, counting a structural link in full and a relevance-only link at 0.36. `1.00` means every pair is linked.

## Open related issues

- #118871: \[Bug\]: a bare reasoning effort "none" still bills thinking on profile wires — \`hermes batch --reasoning_disabled\` is silently ignored (DeepSeek / Kimi)

## Prior & competing PRs

- **#118877: fix(providers): disable bare none thinking toggles**. open
  - maintainer direction: category `silent_close`; implication `active`
  - files: `agent/reasoning_effort.py`, `tests/plugins/model_providers/test_thinking_toggle_parity.py`
- **#118879: fix(reasoning): effort=none disables thinking on provider-profile wire (#118871)**. open
  - maintainer direction: category `silent_close`; implication `active`
  - files: `agent/reasoning_effort.py`, `tests/agent/test_thinking_toggle_extras_none.py`
- **#119720: fix(agent): treat bare reasoning effort none as thinking disabled (#118871)**. open
  - maintainer direction: category `silent_close`; implication `active`
  - files: `agent/reasoning_effort.py`, `tests/agent/test_reasoning_effort_none_toggle.py`

## Fix status

- No merged fix on record.
- Subsystem: `agent`