# NousResearch/hermes-agent · Package install release-age cutoffs breaking installs on mirrors and plugins

## Open now

- Nothing open on GitHub.

Members all concern dependency installation in Hermes being affected by a release-age/exclude-newer cutoff, including Tornado for Telegram lazy install, mirrors without upload times, and plugin dependency handling. Some titles reference a regression from #137110 and a change in where release age is checked, but the exact relationships between items are not fully established by the titles alone.

## TL;DR

- 5 member(s): 0 open issue(s), 1 closed issue(s), 0 open PR(s), 3 merged PR(s), 1 PR(s) closed without merging.
- A fix was merged to main in PR #137110. Verify it addresses your case.
- **Recommended:** read PR #137110 (and any competing PRs below) before filing. Confirm the merged change covers your symptom.

## Maintainer resolution verdict

- Internal-tracker verdict over this cluster's issue members: `unresolved`. This is distinct from the fix status above. Weigh it yourself.

## How this cluster was grouped

- Link evidence (`STRUCTURAL_SPANNING`): every member is connected by structural evidence: shared changed files, or a closing/superseded reference.
- Pairwise link density `0.50`: the share of member pairs that carry a link, counting a structural link in full and a relevance-only link at 0.36. `1.00` means every pair is linked.

## Closed / duplicate issues

- #119704: \[Bug\]: Lazy install of platform.telegram hard-fails on pip.conf-mirrored indexes — exclude-newer quarantines every tornado release ("there are no versions of tornado")

## Prior & competing PRs

- **#137110: Plugin installs work on any package mirror: release age is checked when Hermes locks (3 days), not on users' machines (#135589)**. merged to main · fix tier `verified`
  - maintainer direction: category `merged`; implication `superseded`
  - files: `plugin-catalog/README.md`, `pm/AGENTS.md`, `pm/environment.py`, `pm/workspace.py`, `pyproject.toml`, `tests/pm/test_workspace.py`, `tests/pm/test_workspace_build_inputs.py`, `tests/test_packaging_metadata.py`, `website/docs/developer-guide/plugins/catalog-submission.md`, `website/docs/developer-guide/plugins/index.md`, `website/docs/reference/package-management.md`
- **#137159: Core-only installs and hermes update work again on mirrors without upload times (regression from #137110)**. merged to main · fix tier `verified`
  - maintainer direction: category `merged`; implication `superseded`
  - files: `pm/workspace.py`, `tests/pm/test_workspace.py`
- **#137405: Five catalog plugins install again: plugins may move Hermes's non-pinned dependencies (regression from #137110)**. merged to main · fix tier `verified`
  - maintainer direction: category `merged`; implication `superseded`
  - files: `plugin-catalog/README.md`, `pm/AGENTS.md`, `pm/workspace.py`, `tests/pm/test_workspace.py`, `tests/pm/test_workspace_build_inputs.py`, `website/docs/developer-guide/plugins/catalog-submission.md`, `website/docs/developer-guide/plugins/index.md`, `website/docs/reference/package-management.md`
- **#119711: fix: exempt Tornado from Telegram lazy install cutoff**. closed without merge
  - maintainer direction: category `implemented_elsewhere`; implication `superseded`; refs `#137110`, `#137159`, `#137405`, `#119704`

## Fix status

- Merged to main in PR #137110 (cited above). No release data is tracked. Verify downstream.
- Fix last verified (merged) `2026-10-12`.
- Subsystem: `gateway`