# NousResearch/hermes-agent · Old installs keep stale seeded config defaults after upgrades

## Open now

- 1 issue, 1 PR open on GitHub.
- #136754: \[Bug\]: Upgraded installs stay pinned to old seeded defaults (e.g. approvals.mode: manual / timeout: 60) — default changes never reach long-time users
- PR #136771: fix(cli): drop seeded approvals.timeout/agent.clarify_timeout so new defaults reach old installs

The members share one theme: older installs appear to retain previously seeded config values (such as approvals.mode: manual and timeout: 60), so newer defaults may not reach long-time users. One item is a bug report, and the two PR-style titles describe CLI changes that re-baseline or drop seeded timeout settings.

## TL;DR

- 3 member(s): 1 open issue(s), 0 closed issue(s), 1 open PR(s), 0 merged PR(s), 1 PR(s) closed without merging.
- No fix has been merged to main; one or more PRs were attempted (see below).
- **Recommended:** review the prior/competing PR(s) below. A fix was attempted but not merged; your case may extend or revive that work.

## Maintainer resolution verdict

- Internal-tracker verdict over this cluster's issue members: `unresolved`. This is distinct from the fix status above. Weigh it yourself.

## How this cluster was grouped

- Link evidence (`STRUCTURAL_SPANNING`): every member is connected by structural evidence: shared changed files, or a closing/superseded reference.
- Pairwise link density `0.67`: the share of member pairs that carry a link, counting a structural link in full and a relevance-only link at 0.36. `1.00` means every pair is linked.

## Open related issues

- #136754: \[Bug\]: Upgraded installs stay pinned to old seeded defaults (e.g. approvals.mode: manual / timeout: 60) — default changes never reach long-time users

## Prior & competing PRs

- **#136771: fix(cli): drop seeded approvals.timeout/agent.clarify_timeout so new defaults reach old installs**. open
  - maintainer direction: category `silent_close`; implication `active`
  - files: `cli-config.yaml.example`, `hermes_cli/config_defaults.py`, `hermes_cli/config_migrations.py`, `tests/hermes_cli/test_config_migration_51_stale_timeouts.py`
- **#136776: fix(cli): re-baseline stale seeded defaults on pre-stripping installs**. closed without merge
  - maintainer direction: category `superseded_by_pr`; implication `superseded`; refs `#136771`, `#136754`

## Fix status

- No merged fix on record.
- Subsystem: `hermes_cli`